Chris Joynt remembers with a smile the moment he made his entrance at St Helens.
Not for him the gradual transition from the A team; when he signed from Oldham, he went straight into the first team.
He turned up for training on that day and tentatively walked into the first team dressing room, wearing his high top boots and a shy smile. But there was no warm welcome - he was told in no uncertain terms that he was only allowed in the top team changing room on invitation.
So he trundled a few feet down the corridor and took up residence next door. Where he stayed for the next 13 years.
Joynt was always known as the 'quiet man' but he had a big presence in that St Helens squad, his tenure as captain based on the principle of leading by example. It was a style that got results - he was the backbone of the team when they won the Super League Grand Finals in 1999, 2000 and 2002.
He might have been a man of few words, but plenty has been said about him over the last decade or so, especially with regard to one amazing rugby league moment back in 1999.
He scored a try that is destined to go down in rugby league history as arguably the best ever. He's coy about that moment - the famous Wide To West try when St Helens refused to give up on the hooter, keeping the ball alive long enough to outwit the Bradford Bulls defence and earn a place in the 1999 Grand Final.
On Super League Super Men this week though he opens up about another memorable event, again against the Bradford Bulls but this time in the 2002 Grand Final.
With the seconds counting down, he hits the ground with the ball in hand - was it a voluntary tackle? Should Bradford have been given a penalty to possibly win the game by a single point? Well the Bulls thought so, the referee didn't. Final score 19-18 to Saints.
Bradford Bulls might not have very favourable memories of Chris Joynt, but he will go down in history of one of the great St Helens players.