Debating the Red Bull team orders row: Sky Sports F1's experts go head-to-head

Johnny Herbert and David Croft thrash out F1's big controversy

Last Updated: 10/04/13 3:11pm

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The rights and wrongs of Sebastian Vettel's disregard of Red Bull team orders to win the Malaysian GP has continued to prove the dominant talking point on F1's arrival in China for the resumption of the season this weekend.

There's been plenty of divergent opinions expressed on the rumpus in the last few weeks and the Sky Sports F1 team has been no different! So, with Sky Sports News' Craig Slater as inquisitor, Johnny 'let them race' Herbert and David 'order, order' Croft laced up their sparring gloves...

Craig Slater: I'll start with you David. If Sebastian Vettel hadn't ignored those orders, what sort of last 15 laps of that race would we have have had? Four cars under team orders...
David Croft: "You'd have had the race that Red Bull deserved and wanted at that particular point. They were first and second, they had their 43 points for the Constructors' Championship all in the bag, all nicely wrapped up.

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"They controlled the race, they got their drivers into a position they were happy and comfortable with. That's the race you would have had, that's the race you should have had."

CS: What do you say to that?
Johnny Herbert: "I think we saw the race we should have had. We should have seen the drivers going head-to-head having a race. These are the best drivers in the world remember.

"They should be allowed to race. They should have a trust in these drivers, they are in the team because they think they are best so they should let them go racing - and that's what we saw actually in the race anyway."

DC: "And what did we see in 2010 in Turkey Johnny? Two drivers racing wheel-to-wheel and Red Bull losing a first and second. They can't have that - the Constructors' Championship's important, that's where the money comes from.

"You as a driver need your wages at the end of the day and it's all paid for out of the Constructors' Championship. So they race wheel-to-wheel and what happens? You don't get your house in the country."

JH: "If you look at Turkey, that was a ridiculous situation. Sebastian shouldn't have done the move that he did. He caused the incident in itself; he took the points away from both of the drivers. If that's what you want to do you're going to lose out in the championship. The way it's worked out in Malaysia, this could be the championship-winning race that Sebastian needs."

DC: "I'm sorry, that's a ridiculous argument mate. In Turkey in 2010 it was a ridiculous situation, so could it happen again? Well, no, not if the team engineer the result. They were right to do what they did."

CS: Bernie Ecclestone said after the end of the race 'you show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser'. Are you saying Sebastian Vettel should have just been a good loser and given way?
DC: "If the team tell him to do something, that's what he's got to do. It's like the start of the race - the team say don't push too hard on your tyres or you won't make the stint last.

"Do you do your own thing or do you take your team's advice? You show me a man that goes against the team; I'll show you a man that's not going to win the race."

JH: "Again, from a driver's perspective, if the teams are dictating what they can't feel in the car because the drivers can, that's why the drivers could be choosing what they can and can't do.

"And what happened in Malaysia was a driver doing what we want them to see doing on a race track."

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