Soccer Saturday: Le Tiss, Merse, Thommo and Charlie reflect on the 3pm kick-offs

The Soccer Saturday boys look at defeats for the Manchester clubs and another win for Hull...

Charlie Nicholas on the root of Man United's problems

Man United 1-2 West Brom: Read our match report here

Nicholas: Evidence worrying for United fans

"Man United started okay and tried to feed in Wayne Rooney as much as they could, but a lot of players are finding it difficult to convince themselves that the new manager's tactics are suiting them. Manchester United players in the past did their work in the areas that matter, but when Nani put in some teasing crosses, only Javier Hernandez and Rooney were in the box.

"There is a real lack of numbers in there and I also think they lack pace and tempo; it's too slow, deliberate and predictable. Man United fans will be thinking: 'Where are our big players that stand up and drag out a result when we are not playing well?' and while David Moyes will take a lot of criticism, the players need to stand up because the manager hasn't changed much but the results have changed.

"This wasn't a park-the bus snatch and grab for West Brom, though; they were outstanding, played with expansiveness, and really troubled Man United's defence. It was as good a performance as I've seen from an away team at Old Trafford, with Morgan Amalfitano outstanding and Stephane Sessegnon excellent."

Matt Le Tissier on Man City's defeat at Aston Villa

Aston Villa 3-2 Man City: Read our match report here

Le Tissier: City shouldn't be too concerned

"City dominated so much of the first half but when Aston Villa took the lead in the second period, they ran out of ideas, and Villa defended very well and closed out the game decently. Villa's first goal, from Karim El Ahmadi, was offside so you can absolve City's defenders on that one, but Matija Nastasic (pictured) gave away a sloppy free-kick that Leandro Bacuna scored and the centre-backs got mixed up for the third goal. That said, 90 per cent of the time you have 67 per cent possession, you are going to win the game so I don't think it's anything to be overly worried about."

Paul Merson on West Ham's loss at Hull

Hull 1-0 West Ham: Read our match report here

Merson: Hammers should have had penalty

"West Ham had a stonewall penalty - you don't get penalties more stonewall than this - when there was a handball and they pushed on second half and made chances so while they lost and can't score away from home, they will be sat on the coach thinking: 'If we keep on playing like that, we'll be alright'. If Andy Carroll (pictured) had been playing, they would have won the game with the amount of crosses they put into the box, but he isn't playing and they need to pick up points without him because they are dropping down the table quickly. Hull defend like Steve Bruce used to where they dive in front of things and break things down, while I also thought Robbie Brady was very good."

Phil Thompson on in-form Southampton

Southampton 2-0 Crystal Palace: Read our match report here

Thompson: Routine win for Saints

"There are worrying signs for Palace who are not creating enough but Southampton were very good; they weren't hammering away and creating chances but they now have four consecutive clean sheets. They look a very good Premier League outfit - but Palace don't look like they've got enough. There was a penalty shout when Marouane Chamakh went into the box and Artur Boruc (pictured) went down as Chamakh went past him, but Chamakh threw himself to the ground and tried to drag his legs into Boruc."